As a veteran of the Nam era, its long past due time for a new hair and whiskers codes.. Religious accommodations. WHY DO YOU THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN ALL THOSE PEOPLE! These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. cannot have facial hair for these safety reasons you cited. They're all a bunch of loudmouth, sissified politicians, who would cry bloody murder if they cut themselves shaving. Joined before the draft got me, decided I wanted to be the best. The only way youll be successful, he said, is if you know the regulations better than the Army itself., If youre serious about your request, do not give up, DiPietro said. Im retired with 23 years service. It does not store any personal data. Many Sikhs wear a turban and do not cut their hair or shave their beards as an outward commitment to their faith. If men weren't supposed to have beards we wouldn't be able to grow them. I've got a first cousin who's a 30 year retired U.S. Airforce colonel who is a registered nurse, who only ever worked in military hospitals. His chaplain then passed it to the company commander and first sergeant, who DiPietro said were amazing and supported the request. Sgt. (Photo via Sgt. Now, though, mums the word from internet commenters. Although the Air Force has relaxed their mustache policy, beards are still off limits for airmen. As Carl pointed out, there are many non-combat positions, and I, foolishly it seems, believed that would go without saying. We should make those sadistic Kings and presidents who declare war be the ones who fight them. Dioes VA do that?. Despite the OCCHs position that this accommodation lacks a religious basis and is not a required tenet of the soldiers faith, there is every indication that this moral decision to adhere to the Nazarite vow is a large and important pillar to his spiritual health and well-being.. NOW HAVE A GOOD DAY, AND WIPE UP YOUR TEARS BABY! Yearly suicide prevention training, substance abuse prevention training and resilience training must be done face-to-face, with the optional help of chaplains, legal experts, master resilience trainers or other subject matter experts. Facial hair regulations wont make or break the military but diversity, inclusion and equity (DIE) will break the military because the next step is promotions based on gender, chosen gender, biological gender, race and perceived racial status (oppressed or oppressor) and not ability, attitude, experience and performance. The Military has already told Sikhs this and they have already told orthodox jews this and they have even told Rastafarians the same thing. When evaluating the sincerity of a soldiers articulated belief, the GCMCA will consider the credibility of the application and the circumstances of the request, Esper wrote. beard getting caught up in their machine gun? In 2015, however, the U.S. officially recognized the religion. lice out in the field? I got out of the Navy after 4 yrs to go back in the Army. Us Wiccans did that for many centuries, and it works like a charm. The lieutenant would be allowed to wear a beard and turban whenever he wanted, as long as it was not while he was deployed, serving in a combat unit that might deploy, or performing ceremonial . The request came after policy changes in 2017 that allow a soldier's brigade-level commander to approve a request to receive religious exemptions to grow out their hair. And so does Amazon! I know theres some right here in these comments. Sgt. Bad or No Credit? The other policy update, according to the Air Forces press release, is allowing airmen to wear patches worn by Guardians when working in joint units together. And I repeat again, I respect the Christians who wish to be Nazarites, regardless of whether they have a beard or not and have been well trained, they will be good soldiers both for the country and for God, all be blessed. In Old Norse practice, having a beard isnt exactly a requirement, but rather a beloved tradition. pocket mirror tacked to a tree. WASHINGTON (Army News Service) -- Female Soldiers may now wear dreadlocks and male Soldiers whose religious faith requires beards and turbans may now seek permanent accommodation. rank of Brig. Only UK Officers are allowed to grow facial hair and SAS in the field on ops are also non shaven This helps them blend into the background in Arabic countries, Having a beard to blend is sounds like a good idea. Odd just sayen. Disrespectful to what the military stands for. Thank you for the compliment and the smile this morning. The Air Force has granted several airmen permission to wear beards, turbans and the hijab for religious reasons in recent years. Almost two years after making his first request for a religious accommodation to grow his hair and beard out while in uniform, an Army sergeant has officially receivedthe green light. It would surely make the lives of religious people a lot easier. Unlike the religions this exemption was created for, Forn Sidr is not a doctrinal religion and therefore doesnt have any religious laws or requirements regarding the dress, grooming, diet, relationships, or lifestyle of its followers. What about the Army? The list goes on. I have one. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. In 2017, grooming standards in the military were updated to better accommodate the faith practices of religious soldiers, primarily Muslims and Sikhs, whose faith requires they keep facial hair. You need to get paid. I just felt utterly compelled that this is what I was being called to do., By If you want to maul and mutilate your body, have at it! When those changes were made, internet commenters far and wide were quick to point out that the facial hair ban serves a legitimate safety purpose. The first such accommodation came in 2017 following years of beard-exemption requests and legal pressure from Sikh soldiers seeking to preserve religious traditions while wearing a U.S. uniform. The only bigot is you!!! Why the military doesn't just go with those, I don't know. Why the Bible Could Get Banned in Utah Schools, Church Claims Prayer Regrew Woman's Amputated Toes, Is There an Anti-Trans Holy War Brewing? I loathe nothing more then self sold slaves acting as if that action should entitle them to some greater status in society. I couldnt have said it any better. Additionally, allowing airmen to wear sister-service patches in their current color configuration influences cohesiveness and pride while assigned to joint organizations.. I would love a nice faux fur, though to be honest I would prefer a shrug over a full coat and in silver as that would help the wonderful highlights I have been getting this last couple of years. Something wrong here! then. He provided the chaplain with a memo he drafted in which he requested his religious accommodation. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Some 100,000 soldiers died due to chemical gas during that conflict. While that battle was won, and DiPietro said he was sincerely thankful for everyone who helped me and counseled me throughout this process. The experience has made him rethink his future in the Army. An unlikely boost for the change in the Navys policy came from the Marine Corps. If a sailor is retired, what right does the navy have to bitch at him because of his beard ? Check this out!!!! But the ability to grow it out far enough to stop the bumps. Caste discrimination laws remain fraught. There are plenty of images of firefighter with thick mustaches, but no beards. The Pentagon announced Wednesday that beards, turbans, religious body art and other previously off-limits manifestations of spiritual devotion can now be allowed throughout the military. Grab a book or poster board and instead of gripping do something for someone other then your self and try and be an inspiration or a light or a be on and do good for this globe. Douglas Carver, a Southern Baptist minister who is the former chief chaplain for. Someone needs to take him out!! Dont accept this finding! However, they are specifically required to "dress up their hair and beard properly". We've been receiving requests for religions beard accommodations for soldiers serving in the Armed Forces. The Army and Air Force have allowed beards as a religious accommodation for Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and Norse heathen service members who have requested them. But I don't think that works when you are wearing a military uniform. Firefighters go through the same thing with their masks. They are required to keep it neatly tied in a hairnet or keep it trimmed. AMERICA IS NOW WEAK, LAUGHED AT, AND EVERYONE WANTS TO TRY THEIR LUCK AT THE FENCE OF ALL REAL AMERICANS. If you need a longer mustache to have morale or the boost, your freaking ego man up, grow some freaking balls you dickhead. This time the Army declined, but only after Hoskins request made it all the way to the desk of a deputy chief of staff. At the time, the Navy and Coast Guard appeared to be the only services to allow beards. O.K. These Cards Might Be Right for You. The flaw in that thinking is that when you do something to endanger yourself, you endanger those around you, especially in firefighting and combat. Some people here really seem confused, and equate being in the military to any other "Job". The answer came just days later. So they either accept the fact that hair buns and beards (with a religious exemption) can be worn but they will not be deployed and if you cant be deployed then you are of no use to the Military and out you go. It used to be honor and resect, proud to wear the uniform. Having a beard in the U.S. military can be difficult due to its ban on facial hair while in uniform. Effective immediately, the Air Force will allow airmen to grow their mustaches past the width of their lips, but not longer than 1/4 inch beyond a vertical line drawn from the corner of the mouth.. Its part of uniform regs.. You know this if youre retired. . For years, DiPietro followed the Army standard. In the interim, the Becket Fund says the Navy has agreed to allow all four men religious accommodation to wear beards while the case is pending. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. This time I'll probably let it keep growing for the rest of my life. In that same vein, these new policies are designed to flatten processes. Grow a nut sack unless youve already pu$$ied out and became someones Bitch. If the beard is trimmed neat n clean whats the problem, its guys like you that keep young men from wanting to serve. Your last sentence is spot-on. (RNS) Shave or be Shaved. Hi Im a 30 year veteran can my wife file for hearing aids threw the va thanks htcm, Its about time our Air Force Family be freed from the Adolf Hitler style mustache grooming practice. It is my humble opinion, times change and that does not mean that they develop as bad soldiers, I understand perfectly the regulations of the armed forces but if we compare it the people who ask for that special permit are minorities and it is clear that it is for matters of faith. Should the military allow religious soldiers the unique privilege of keeping a beard? I could agree and disagree on this response. You said it. The policy change will allow beards, long hair, religious tattoos and turbans to be worn by members in uniform, according to the Department of Defense (DOD) Instruction issued this week. But the next week, he said he received an email from an Army official in the Pentagon telling him that while his beard had been approved, the general who signed off on allowing him to grow his hair out didnt actually have the authority to do so. Chaplains cannot officially approve or deny requests, but recommendations based on perceived sincerity can be made on the service members behalf. In the end he has full retirement short of 20 years active because of that break. For the first time, the Army will allow a Christian soldier to break their long-standing dress code and grooming standards and grow facial hair while serving. I really enjoyed my time. In 2018, The United States military updated its restrictions to accommodate soldiers who follow religious doctrinal guidelines on dress and grooming. That would really confuse the enemy. Thumbs up to our Chefs, First Shirts and brave young officers for making this happen. Whats next? Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. You must appeal that decision. Where are they going to hide in a real world situation? VA Has Announced Big Changes for Veterans, Will Overhaul Disability Evaluations, House Passed Major Veteran Bill That Would Automatically Enroll Veterans in VA Health Care, Do Not Sell My Personal Information for California Residents. BUT YOU DONT AND THEY DONT CARE AT THE COST! Six years between the USMC and NatGuard. All Rights Reserved. I served during the Zumwalt days and had a neat, military-style beard as a Navy Airborne Electronic Warfare Officer. I found it easier not to have a mustache! I bet Amy would look good in a mink, flugo. The Army Times has since reported that a soldier at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri was granted permission to grow a beard in accordance with heathenry. But for the soldiers who dont have a religious reason to apply for an exemption but are thinking about doing so anyway just because they dont want to shave of which DiPietro said hes heard from several dont even think about it. This new exception will inspire new recruits to join our military because it ties them a bit closer to the sleek and sharpness of the uniform. for many years. Too many other people at risk for a religious belief or a fashion statement. The uniformed service is the place to get both and more to be successful in life. I bet all the men who were written about in the Bible had beards. A soldier serving in Afghanistan with the Nevada Army Guard has been granted a religious accommodation to grow a beard in accordance with a Norse pagan faith that traces its origins to Scandinavia. Hair buns? The psychology of having bearded soldiers might only make the defenders of our nation tougher and more rugged, than the clean shaven soldiers of other nations. I feel like theres still a culture that is, truthfully, fearful and hating towards that which is different., As for other soldiers who are serious about their religious obligations but are scared to ask for an exception to policy, DiPietro urged them to do their research beforehand. TRENDING: Bad or No Credit? Conservative Christians arent the only ones asking for accommodation in mailman case, White House appoints new Muslim community liaison, Secular organizers say interfaith spaces should include atheists, nonbelievers, US soccer leagues add game breaks for players fasting during Ramadan, Prayer rug design project aims to highlight Islams diversity in US and Latin America, Copyright 2020, Religion News Service. And if its ok with you; Id like to add to the end of it. It has absolutely nothing to do with religious beliefs. Or should I say a sight for sore eyes. If prescribed medications are needed to alleviate that problem, then it SHOULD be included as a DISABILITY percentage, and freely given at discharge or retirement, PERIOD! I told my husband before I am taking care of you .Who will take care of me? I seriously doubt they have a Walmart in the middle of the jungle to pick up that lice cream. I DESIGNED AND BUILT PULMONARY FUNCTION UNITS AT A COUPLE OF HOSPITALS, Thanks Jay. The Bible explains that while someone is observing the Nazarite vow, no razor may be used on their head.. A cynic might believe that a white Christian male exercising his religious freedom in the military is somehow more acceptable to some than people of other faiths doing the exact same thing. I'm sick of one rule for this person and another rule for that person. RELATED: Dont confuse military action with the mission of God. GROW THE FUCK UP. Change is sometimes difficult for anyone who is kind of set in their ways. Spouses of Disabled Veterans and those that are survivors of the disabled Veterans DO have certain medical benefits. My 22 year career, Ive seen this cycle. Official Statement Re: Religious Beard Accommodations in the US Military. Why should they thats not a life threatening that is a personal choice what do the rest of us get some of us that deserves disability from service but cant get it but they can get a sex change operation that wasnt caused by the military. You are about to delete your comment. Photo courtesy of Sikh Americans Veterans Alliance. I could not agree more General. Then again flugo, not everyone in the military is in a combat position. You should contact your local Veterans Representative (usually at the County/Parish Courthouse), Hell no forget it! Di Liscia is one of several sailors and marines who are seeking religious accommodation to wear beards while in uniform. MILITARY.NET is a privately owned website and is NOT AFFILIATED (or endorsed)with the U.S. GOVERNMENT, U.S. ARMED FORCES, or DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS. That isnt exactly the Army way the service has specific rules about hair length and styling, for men and women, including a strict no-beard policy. AMERICA IS NOW WEAK, LAUGHED AT, AND EVERYONE WANTS TO TRY THEIR LUCK AT THE FENCE OF ALL REAL AMERICANS. Other facets of the federal government and first-responder organizations could be impacted. The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin, Cathy Brown Vandermaarel, an Army spokeswoman, told Army Times when asked about the decision to deny Hoskins request. :D. My response was to the article saying there are already men in the military who are allowed facial hair. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Hed originally planned to stay in for a full 20 years, but the difficulty he had in getting an exemption for a religious vow he takes very seriously, and the harassment he experienced from other soldiers about his beard, have motivated him to leave the service at the end of his contract next year. The regulations we served under mean nothing. All rights reserved. Accordingly, we are now considering our final options before litigation, said Graham West, the communications director of the Sikh Coalition. Your a part time Woke Salior. Requiring the unit commander, base chaplain, installation commander up to the Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff, Personnel Division, to all sign off on the beard waiver. But a trend, as minimal as it may be, has certainly been stirring among the rank-and-file. Were the Navy and Marines to allow beards for active service personnel when in uniforms, it could have a wider impact on the issue. Beards were common in the U.S. military until World War I when concerns about the seal of period gas masks were an issue. LOL! After that women wanting to wear dresses instead of the standard uniform. And as you well know, bearing and appearance affected your APR, which bear heavily on your fit for promotion. Heres why they shouldnt be. The Navy allowed beards beginning in 1970, only to reverse the policy in the mid-1980s a directive that was soon followed by the Coast Guard. Retired SGM. Commanders will incorporate everything into their unit training plans and use assessments to keep track of risk areas, though when, where and how training is done is up to them. (Sgt. Listen to these young people. I thought that it was an easy-to-understand thought process. I served and flew with female Naval Aviators who were outstanding aviators and officers, but they were a definite exception just as ALL Naval Aviators were definite exceptions. For Di Liscia, a practicing Hasidic Jew who had not shaved for more than two years, it was a choice between his loyalty to the U.S. Navy and his religious faith. Hopper, like service members who have sought exemptions before, was advised to meet with a chaplain to present his case. Does a mustache or hair make me a better soldier, no, but would help the morale in the services! Jacob DiPietro filed an official request to grow a beard, arguing that shaving is against his personal religious beliefs. Let's leave pretty faces to women. Doesnt make it wrong or right, just difficult to deal with. Meanwhile, the Navy, which has long held on to its ban on beards in uniform despite. Earlier this year, Di Liscia, along with three Muslim sailors, joined in a lawsuit brought by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, alleging the Navys beard policy amounts to a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Agree 100%! All of this concern about facial hair when the concern should be the current effort to enlist people with known mental disorders for inclusivity.. Di Liscia had been granted a no-shave chit in 2018 as a morale measure. Good grief! "There is no religious requirement for beards in Heathenry," the post read. Oh and dark chocolate please. Additionally, the mustache will not go beyond a horizontal line extending across the corners of the mouth and no more than 1/4 inch beyond a vertical line drawn from the corner of the mouth.. If you want to improve the moral of the Army & other services, this would be a good start. So if it wasn't a problem for them, why should it be for others as long as it did not endanger those around them. Mustache/hair regs. The hair curls back into the skin and causes bumps. Online training is no longer required. How about this I dont care if you dont like the fact a fellow vet can now get gender reassigned surgery, really after all we have been through as a nation with all this world pandemic and death of so so many humans and a economic resesion like none before us a yet thats what you choose to bitch about are you fucken kidding me right now?

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